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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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Richard hey Stefan guess what what it's

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our first birthday show Oh party poppers

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go everywhere there's Remus happy

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birthday candy though Wow stop terrible

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there's a good smoking star all right

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you can't all the farms getting older

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they're often a member yes scarce Devon

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this is show 49 for the twenty-fifth of

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September but it's our one-year show

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happy birthday congratulations thanks

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man what a zone it's been what a time

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we're arts in the zone it's been a great

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time in the zone the time zone one

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year's own time when you wow that's it

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doesn't feel like that does it I'm now

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the congratulations Richard on on

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everything that you've done I mean I've

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just take it a little role he just

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padding out the show every now and then

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but you don't some interviews you've got

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to mention I didn't yeah that was pretty

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good and you do some funny bits know

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every now and then yeah yeah went it Tim

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YouTube too so that's not too bad that

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was pretty good yes happy and when I was

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Stefan here where step no I'm gonna be

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there next year it makes you all right

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but Richard congratulations on

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everything has been happening in the in

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the zone and what are we going to do for

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this surface person shot one year

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anniversary we're going to revisit where

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we are where we started which was Dragon

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Con ball and last year for the first

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show was a live recording from dragon

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console for the birthday anniversary

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edition we go back to dragoncon and do

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it again do it again so coming up is our

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live show from dragoncon made this year

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with our special guest Daniel Loxton

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from junior skeptic oh and one of our

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great friends George rub the singer Gio

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he's a bit of a legend yes I think

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Richard we should just hold a suspense

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and just go straight into it let's do it

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that'll stay with you

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hitman

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hello and welcome to the skin tone it

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service to be back here at dragon on in

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fact ladies on the state of the world

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just a moment it was this very room last

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year this time we launched the show so

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happy birthday let's get example joining

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me on the stage is our good friend and

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reporter from all the way from Perth in

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Western Australia collie Sturgis and of

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course you know her from her great dr.

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Reggie reports its dr. arranged a lot it

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really is remembers to be back here

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dragoncon although i think we've decided

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next year when we come we're going to

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come to like a week early just together

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try to adjust these rich of time zones

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and anything it's a killer yeah but you

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in orland and I shall be returning to

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Auckland straight after these for the

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inaugural skeptics in the pub Auckland

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so we've inspired something in that

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regard fantastic we dr. H and I had a

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wonderful trip to visit Kylie and Perth

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accident more or less we found it perth

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bananas and I think that's likely due to

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slightly due to SGU so many people come

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to our skeleton above and say hello

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about you on the skeptics guide to the

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universe great Thank You HD you that's

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tremendous that's tremendous and I

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informal it's fantastic come along you

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don't even have to listen to the talk so

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you can just have a dream Chapman well

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old now and but I wasn't here last year

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and so I wasn't here to see the launch

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hasn't it for design it's been very very

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strength Emily it's really been nice to

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look at the graphs of the statistics

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had that yet really no maybe it's just

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one handle no it was can you all see the

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of the travels yeah Richard Saunders

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last time you have done tam six he did

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that by yourself a lead and then you did

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much he appreciated my messages of

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support to him right but that's

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of Melbourne thanks to the skeptic

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podcast over there yes so a big shout

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featuring camels and our schools that's

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skeptics and regrettably the rest of the

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skeptics of George Zimmerman I'm coming

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you listen to the show certainly aware

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about continuing campaign promoting more

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or less good health by supporting

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much and a couple of weeks ago they sent

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certain things out to them when we do we

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donations because in fact a lot of

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naughty is it Richard nineties yeah yes

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and evil are real numpties you know I we

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heard of Dick Smith is a good friend of

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the strange skeptics in fact he was one

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dear friend of James Randi and it was in

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fact James Randi in 1980 you came out to

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Australia who sort of kicked off

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Australian skeptics but Dick Smith is a

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self-made millionaire who spent most of

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his life doing really good deeds with

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his money it's just fantastic and he

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came to our skeptics in the pub to give

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a talk and we were explaining the

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situation about the

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Andy backs lobby and he called us back a

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few days later and said I will pay for

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the be ad in the national newspaper

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which is not cheap not cheap at all but

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it's made a huge impact to our our fight

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so a big thank you to Dick Smith he's

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science and just good common sense I

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you guys here because in the couple of

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days I've been here I've had so many

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people come up to me and say we heard

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about the anti-vaccine from you guys on

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the zone and because of your passion and

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dedication we've written about it we've

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blogged about it we've sent it around

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look at the world and I really

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appreciate that because in Australia a

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lot of people didn't know they were

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there and our aim was to expose them and

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then to expose their misinformation and

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their lives and we are doing that so

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well and we're so pleased about that so

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thank you to you guys too yeah I know

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and I don't think Phil's here Phil Plait

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but he's a real big supporter of us

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whenever we do something like this he'll

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blog it straight away and we get a

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massive amount of traffic coming back to

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and steve has as well sticking our

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thanks yeah thanks Steve but it's I mean

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a lot of us we do the skeptical stuff

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and sometimes we wind up to I we

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actually making a difference there we

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might enjoy it ourselves we might get

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something out of it but just

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occasionally we can really see the

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difference in the benefit we're

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hopefully the benefit to our way I

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thinking that there were men here

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it's very gratifying indeed good after

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all great I would have to regret in fact

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I was just thinking to myself then I

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remember a few months back somebody sent

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around an email saying have you heard

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this podcast called the skeptic sign

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they're really biased and stuff and that

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was actually come on willing to do

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parapsychologists a funny thing about

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that was that that was the week we

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interviewed Stephen Fry and then put a

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link to our website and when you went to

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the link there was a you know the page

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of the Stephen Fry interview and I was

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thinking huh what's the buyers bit here

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you know since it to you with Stephen

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Fry but yeah well let's not make any

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mistake I mean we're dealing with people

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here well amongst their ranks they

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they're into just about every possible

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conspiracy theory going now the basic

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thing about the only vaccination people

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will open in back home and probably here

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too though I can't come in too much is

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they really sincerely do think there is

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an evil plot by the Illuminati or world

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governments or whatever the case may be

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to poisonous and hurt us especially by

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the large pharmaceutical companies why

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they produce pharmaceuticals is to keep

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us sick to sell us more pharmaceuticals

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vaccinees makes vaccinations are a plot

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straight out a plot by the government's

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Barack Obama's probably involved

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somewhere along the way we're on the

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payroll of large pharmaceutical

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companies would be told that the TV

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network in Australia channel seven that

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ran a pro vaccination story are in the

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pay of large pharmaceutical companies

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and they sincerely and truly believe

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this I mean that's what I think I can't

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see why they would justify it any other

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way so it's an interesting situation

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where you've got a group of people doing

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what we consider bizarre and wacky

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things but we must question do they have

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in their own hearts good motives good

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motives that have been completely warped

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and twisted what do you mean did I have

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good mate who do they think they're

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doing good I think they're I think they

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initially probably did I mean a lot of

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the people that are involved at the

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grassroots level in the avn for example

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our parents that have had a vaccine

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injured child and then those

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the people that are desperate to find

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answers in stems from personal

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experience with family there is

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something that has happened to their

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child their family and they're just

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going to find it on well that's right

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and they're looking for answers

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obviously and so they find those answers

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unfortunately in the likes of the ABN

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who will tell them that the vaccine is

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made from selves that are cancerous that

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it's they're growing in aborted fetuses

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and as they don't work primarily yes

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they don't work and what it does work is

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homeopathic vaccination oh yeah that's

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another story that we've got in our

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hands at the moment in German we have a

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government in Australia who is like a

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wet week basically I'm in there like a

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lot of governments are pretty hopeless

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they take ages to do anything and you

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know they don't they're not proactive

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about doing anything and we recently

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came across a website that was touting

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homeopathic vaccination for

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meningococcal disease now many of you

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would know that meningococcal is a rapid

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onset bacterial infection thing is that

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just rolls off the tongue yes it's

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incredible thank you very much seasoning

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it's like pertussis such a nice word as

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new sorry if I've offended ketosis so we

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wrote to the equivalent of the FDA in

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Australia and said listen we think that

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this is really bad and you know this

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this disease can kill kids in 24 hours

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and please do something about removing

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this website because we do have laws in

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Australia where if you make claims that

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can't be substantiated or there's no

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evidence to support that the government

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can say write their websites gone get

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rid of it now we send them all this

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information and to make a complaint in

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Australia is not just sending an email

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saying this website's bad you have to

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investigate the website and match it to

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the legislation where you think it's

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been breached so it's not just a small

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project and we sent it to them and said

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look this is a problem and you wait six

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weeks and we heard nothing and then you

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can go to their website and the

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complaints resolution

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panel there'll be a results page and

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there'll be a page that says unresolved

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now we found our complaint in the

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unresolved section with the comment that

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not under our jurisdiction and that was

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it and so they basically just put it in

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the too hard basket and said oh god win

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or not to do with that don't

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tell anyone just put it over there and

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what do we do now you know these people

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are still until like a week and a half

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ago when i checked saying that you can

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use homeopathy to vaccinate against

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meningococcal disease now what we do is

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what james rate he did with peter Popoff

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most of you probably know the story he

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busted peter Popoff who was using it was

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of a faith healer and he was saying

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running up to people in the audience he

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knew all about them Percy was getting

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messages from God where in fact he had a

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little earpiece and his wife is speeding

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in the information and James Randi went

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to the authorities in the skies are

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priorities but banking people counting

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the matter their money and let the

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authorities didn't want to know about

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anything about it so James only likes to

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say he went to a higher authority he

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went to Johnny Carson or whether

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government I just not willing to act or

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they don't think it's important matter

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than we will will tell the world about

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it and now with web 2.0 and the

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increasing popularity of what we do we

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can tell a lot of people at once it's

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really cool yeah that's why the

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blogosphere is so important to you know

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everyone's work has skeptics I think I

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mean you can get things out there so

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quickly and the good example of that is

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there the Ben Goldacre Jenny Barnett you

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notice that many people here would

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probably know about where Jenny Barnett

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is a UK announcer she did as a talkback

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show on a radio station called lbc when

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she was talking about MMR vaccines and

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saying they cause autism and everything

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else that you know has been perpetuated

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by the andrew wakefield paper and ben

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goldacre posted that a little sound bite

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from that show on his website because he

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couldn't explain it in words the stupid

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burnt so much that he just

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actually he's a time for it was it was

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like being beaten with a stupid stick

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repeatedly across their hand if that's

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how bad it was and the response from the

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radio station lbc was to send the

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lawyers round to say to Ben that's it

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you know this is breach of copyright

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we're going to see you take it down now

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now he's a little citizen fellow you

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know he's not in a position to fight the

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lawyers from a big multinational radio

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station so his response was okay I've

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got to take it down but the blogosphere

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decided that wasn't the way we wanted it

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to go and in fact it was your blog

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myblog gimpy let me see brained up a few

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of the illness yes that's what we were

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known as we banded together about five

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six of us and we said right we need the

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trauma we need the sound and I will do

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is will break it up to five minute

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segments each one of us will take one of

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those five minute segments and

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transcribe it and we then proceeded to

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spread it across internet on our blocks

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and encouraged other people to copy an

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off our websites so it wasn't just in

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one chunked place on one side it was

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dispersed across several sites linked to

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each other which then proceeded to link

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on from the anomalies and it essentially

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just spread everywhere so if anyone

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wanted to read what was being said by

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Jenny Barnett they could just point it

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doesn't go hop on was that the whole

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story disguising it went viral very

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quickly and so that was the end of a

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fail bc they can you know they can't

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take down 200 blogs across the world and

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it was on wikileaks as well yeah so yeah

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and I think actually Kylie I believe in

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Australia that occurred around maybe

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midnight perth time finger and that is 2

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a.m. sydney time so i remember getting a

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skype from you saying quick emergency

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skeptical emergency you would be

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you would be interesting section seats

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would you it's only five minutes senior

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girl yes I was because it was about a

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year about dinner time in London that

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was where ya long as we're and I said to

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you if we make miss international they

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can't shut us down because too many

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countries involved it was mostly british

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and then australian are significantly

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happened just a few weeks ago to me

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personally there was a homeopath on the

540
00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:09,810
morning television show in australia

541
00:22:15,710 --> 00:22:11,640
promoting the benefits of homeopathic

542
00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:15,720
vaccinations and I'm just the brain just

543
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:17,910
hurts you need us to distinguish I need

544
00:22:22,670 --> 00:22:20,610
to send even a stick so I why do you

545
00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:22,680
want to do i video'd and i put it up on

546
00:22:26,270 --> 00:22:24,630
youtube and people going nuts and the

547
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:26,280
writing to the station paper station was

548
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:28,260
flooded with complaints a business

549
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:30,090
dangerous apart from anything else this

550
00:22:34,910 --> 00:22:32,250
is bad advice and it's dangerous so the

551
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:34,920
TV station reacted by whinging no

552
00:22:40,940 --> 00:22:37,170
complaining to youtube I lost my youtube

553
00:22:42,980 --> 00:22:40,950
account was just gone well if the

554
00:22:44,660 --> 00:22:42,990
network that was going to stop the story

555
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:44,670
then I wearing strides in it takes

556
00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:46,290
everybody around the world picked it up

557
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:48,030
and copied the video and posted and post

558
00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:49,890
the transcript so it does need to run

559
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:52,110
our way like that no you can't get rid

560
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:54,210
of things anymore with web 2.0 and with

561
00:22:59,120 --> 00:22:56,760
Twitter and with blogs don't try and

562
00:23:00,620 --> 00:22:59,130
hide things people mr. never be waiting

563
00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:00,630
for you even if it's three o'clock in

564
00:23:05,140 --> 00:23:02,910
the morning and see me and especially if

565
00:23:07,910 --> 00:23:05,150
you have a yahoo group that was healthy

566
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:07,920
and people twittering agency at the

567
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:09,930
moment but now what we'd like to do is

568
00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:11,250
change the piece of the show a little

569
00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:13,230
bit we've got a couple of great guests

570
00:23:21,340 --> 00:23:14,550
would like to chat to and i like to call

571
00:23:30,460 --> 00:23:28,690
I just bring some hell didn't go we need

572
00:23:32,380 --> 00:23:30,470
an extra chair tied with one behind you

573
00:23:37,810 --> 00:23:32,390
excellent take a seat at the end there

574
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:37,820
Daniel yeah that is just get reaching

575
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,610
absolutely others tastes great now

576
00:23:46,620 --> 00:23:42,080
before we get going I know you've got

577
00:23:49,390 --> 00:23:46,630
some simple questions for Daniel Daniel

578
00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:49,400
year ago Daniel or maybe I can't even

579
00:23:53,620 --> 00:23:51,110
remember when it was I guess you all

580
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:53,630
know I invented a origami big assist for

581
00:24:02,590 --> 00:24:00,880
Daniel came to me and said they were

582
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:02,600
doing an issue the junior skeptics about

583
00:24:09,010 --> 00:24:07,760
dragons and that's correct and i decided

584
00:24:10,419 --> 00:24:09,020
to you would be so neat if there's a

585
00:24:13,149 --> 00:24:10,429
little little free something we could

586
00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:13,159
give away what about instructions for

587
00:24:16,659 --> 00:24:14,870
something else you know instructions can

588
00:24:19,870 --> 00:24:16,669
be given way around the world for zero

589
00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:19,880
dollars so what about a little puzzle

590
00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:24,169
little project and the Pegasus was so

591
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,390
inspiring that I contacted Richard me

592
00:24:31,930 --> 00:24:28,880
and he suggested that he might do it and

593
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:31,940
origami dragon and you could hit a

594
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:33,770
little video glad to media yeah

595
00:24:38,020 --> 00:24:35,450
unfortunately the video was lost but I

596
00:24:40,750 --> 00:24:38,030
lost my youtube channel but of all the

597
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:40,760
videos I had there that was one of the

598
00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:43,039
most downloaded in fact almost view to

599
00:24:46,750 --> 00:24:45,020
have every works it was rude and I get a

600
00:24:49,659 --> 00:24:46,760
lot of correspondence from people in

601
00:24:51,370 --> 00:24:49,669
South America I don't know why ever did

602
00:24:52,540 --> 00:24:51,380
I have Dryden's there they might have

603
00:24:55,330 --> 00:24:52,550
been

604
00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:55,340
I did you did you tell you that it had

605
00:24:59,800 --> 00:24:57,830
been downloaded 94,000 honor me as

606
00:25:02,950 --> 00:24:59,810
something like that something like even

607
00:25:06,970 --> 00:25:02,960
more than the biggest yeah that was a

608
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:06,980
real surprise to me gratifying what a

609
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:09,410
lot of fun yeah that was then I love

610
00:25:13,650 --> 00:25:11,450
simple things like that can make a big

611
00:25:15,460 --> 00:25:13,660
difference but most of the most of the

612
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,470
correspondence I got back was just

613
00:25:20,010 --> 00:25:17,120
saying oh I could make it thank you

614
00:25:22,030 --> 00:25:20,020
because sometimes you especially people

615
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:22,040
making origami and books or whatever

616
00:25:25,330 --> 00:25:23,510
they give up our fighters they can't

617
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,340
possibly follow but I tried to make that

618
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:27,440
nice and simple it was kind of idiot

619
00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:29,330
proof i managed to model my way back and

620
00:25:34,540 --> 00:25:32,270
just a couple of tries wrote back to me

621
00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:34,550
and said yeah I made it but it doesn't

622
00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:36,350
really look like a dragon so I wrote

623
00:25:43,690 --> 00:25:37,430
back saying well if you send me a

624
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:43,700
photograph of a dragon I'll take before

625
00:25:47,170 --> 00:25:45,650
we get going questions deadly would you

626
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:47,180
like to tell our audience else in the

627
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:48,770
audience a little bit about yourself

628
00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:50,170
then a little bit about your background

629
00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:54,830
well I work for skeptic magazine which

630
00:25:59,380 --> 00:25:57,350
is which is the magazine produced by the

631
00:26:02,140 --> 00:25:59,390
skeptics society here in the United

632
00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:02,150
States it's nonprofit organization and

633
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:03,590
instead because their quarterly magazine

634
00:26:09,670 --> 00:26:07,010
I do i do a number of things there but

635
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:09,680
my name is the the junior skeptic

636
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:12,170
section which is a 10 10 page

637
00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:14,510
illustrative kit sign section values the

638
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:17,270
back of magazine and it typically four

639
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:18,610
tackles

640
00:26:24,419 --> 00:26:21,910
a classic paranormal topics like exploit

641
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:24,429
or pyramid power we do the crystal

642
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,510
skulls & Dragons just for fun put the

643
00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:31,120
monsters and things about that night the

644
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:33,100
usual fare for juniors it's the other

645
00:26:37,260 --> 00:26:35,049
great innocent of skepticism especially

646
00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:37,270
for the younger kids well you coming to

647
00:26:41,610 --> 00:26:39,160
who doesn't love a monster yes that's

648
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:41,620
the thing and you know and people who

649
00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:44,400
write to write to us or contact me the

650
00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:47,640
adults very often say oh yeah you know

651
00:26:53,610 --> 00:26:51,460
even i reach the junior skeptic and I

652
00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:53,620
say well you know you don't have to be

653
00:26:57,659 --> 00:26:55,270
sheepish about it when when I was just a

654
00:27:00,480 --> 00:26:57,669
reader skeptic makin Jr skeptic which

655
00:27:02,450 --> 00:27:00,490
was created by Pat Lindsey and it was my

656
00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:02,460
favorite part I would turn to it first

657
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,190
and that's the pattern Lily we hear

658
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:07,840
sometimes a little bit a little sheepish

659
00:27:11,789 --> 00:27:09,970
liquid but most of our readers taught us

660
00:27:14,130 --> 00:27:11,799
that but in flip did you your skeptic

661
00:27:16,409 --> 00:27:14,140
first it's like reading the comics you

662
00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:16,419
know that it's you start with the start

663
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:17,830
with the comics and then you go on to a

664
00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:19,690
these letters and book reviews and

665
00:27:27,030 --> 00:27:22,540
eventually get features at the end but

666
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,040
yes it's people like monsters even in

667
00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:29,679
Australia if I we were just discussing

668
00:27:33,659 --> 00:27:32,020
and Rachel nodded i'm used to

669
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:33,669
investigate a show here a few hours ago

670
00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:36,130
and just last week in australia we got a

671
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:38,950
guy called Rex Gilroy who looks for

672
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,510
Yowies Yowies Bigfoot Australia Bigfoot

673
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:46,000
so-called Yogi's but he's also found you

674
00:27:51,030 --> 00:27:48,130
says evidence of a plesiosaur in the

675
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:51,040
river north of sydney so when we go back

676
00:27:56,509 --> 00:27:53,770
dr. AG yeah we're going to realize look

677
00:28:09,259 --> 00:28:02,419
can't wait tonight how good a big river

678
00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:12,060
Daniel are you aware that the man who

679
00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:14,169
thinks he's jesus lives next door to me

680
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:16,600
and the man who thinks he's jesus is my

681
00:28:26,970 --> 00:28:25,450
color TV what am I saying I I I think

682
00:28:30,659 --> 00:28:26,980
you've just tested me and found me

683
00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:30,669
wanting oh I would take a stab at maybe

684
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:32,950
a minute kind of work there no that was

685
00:28:37,499 --> 00:28:36,129
cooking the G speaks oh go to you there

686
00:28:39,629 --> 00:28:37,509
because it was our we first started

687
00:28:42,899 --> 00:28:39,639
chatting I believe we haven't shared a

688
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:42,909
lot of comedy that's true and if that's

689
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:46,960
you majored in theatre I did I did a

690
00:28:51,869 --> 00:28:49,809
little theatre back Rebecca in Bishop

691
00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:51,879
Bishop to university in Quebec Canada I

692
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:54,580
did sat design and

693
00:29:01,710 --> 00:28:57,250
and that's good writing there but thank

694
00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:01,720
you no no acting I'm not not not at all

695
00:29:09,419 --> 00:29:04,840
by nature I'm very shy and a setting

696
00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:09,429
like this I find it kind of alarming hey

697
00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:11,470
I keep hoping them will get geo up here

698
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,500
soon to do the funny and so even with

699
00:29:20,490 --> 00:29:18,880
the sum of the background that you had

700
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:20,500
in theater did you ever come across many

701
00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:22,990
superstitions edge challenged you well

702
00:29:31,169 --> 00:29:25,899
we did a we did a production of the

703
00:29:34,259 --> 00:29:31,179
Scottish player and Sangha second is not

704
00:29:38,669 --> 00:29:34,269
a slice it's not like yeah that's what

705
00:29:41,490 --> 00:29:38,679
they call me fat me yeah yeah that was

706
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:41,500
funnier so you know the usual kind of

707
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:43,929
product and I will chat sensitive the

708
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:47,679
theater superstitions bad that one being

709
00:29:51,299 --> 00:29:50,049
one that comes to mind so being a person

710
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:51,309
who comes from a background in

711
00:29:56,639 --> 00:29:54,610
humanities I guess connecting with

712
00:29:59,250 --> 00:29:56,649
skepticism is something that doesn't

713
00:30:01,560 --> 00:29:59,260
readily come to mind and yet you seem to

714
00:30:06,899 --> 00:30:01,570
be quite an epic improvement allowing

715
00:30:09,509 --> 00:30:06,909
for all diversity well I I think modern

716
00:30:12,450 --> 00:30:09,519
skepticism is built to a huge degree on

717
00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:12,460
the humanities I mean 19 me you guys are

718
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:14,500
your you're doing communication right

719
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:17,110
now that's that's what I typically do is

720
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:20,169
it might remain part of my job drawing

721
00:30:24,850 --> 00:30:22,740
pictures and telling stories and

722
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:24,860
I'm kind of historical sleuthing and

723
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,090
those those kinds of things are a lot of

724
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:30,480
humanities disciplines it definitely you

725
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:32,970
know skepticism got got its teeth into

726
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,240
me very early in a junior high school

727
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:39,000
line and I was really a committed salad

728
00:30:43,490 --> 00:30:41,010
for the time i was in freshman year of

729
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:43,500
university discovered a huge huge stack

730
00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:46,559
of skeptical inquirer back issues and

731
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:48,900
you know at that time when in 1993 I

732
00:30:52,820 --> 00:30:50,490
don't think skeptical inquirer was

733
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:52,830
available on newsstands yet you know you

734
00:30:57,260 --> 00:30:55,170
have to have a university library in

735
00:30:59,410 --> 00:30:57,270
order to find it and read it this little

736
00:31:03,860 --> 00:30:59,420
journal format thing black and white and

737
00:31:05,419 --> 00:31:03,870
but I did too he was just like a cool

738
00:31:09,169 --> 00:31:05,429
cool drink of water for me it was

739
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:09,179
wonderful if anyways Canada and

740
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:11,490
Australia but the same I think I mean we

741
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:13,530
both a part of the Commonwealth a head

742
00:31:16,790 --> 00:31:14,910
of state is still the Queen of England

743
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:16,800
yeah it is a bit strange jealous it made

744
00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:19,620
the Big O she's on our coins if you

745
00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:21,480
didn't complete you don't much cricket

746
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:22,920
in Canada I can't get my head around

747
00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:25,230
that not too much but they're the same

748
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,150
in many ways I mean they're large their

749
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:29,640
their population base is quite similar

750
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:31,890
but culturally there

751
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:33,690
very similar there by the resource

752
00:31:38,170 --> 00:31:35,940
extraction economies you use the venting

753
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:38,180
system right yeah we should be sure do

754
00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:43,710
buddy it's a handsome mix you know no

755
00:31:47,270 --> 00:31:45,870
one in Canada knows what of minors but

756
00:31:49,550 --> 00:31:47,280
people don't have a really good sense of

757
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:49,560
what a kilo is either they have to stop

758
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:51,090
and think about it most people think in

759
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:53,490
for everyday use people in Canada

760
00:32:03,800 --> 00:31:56,850
thinking feet and inches and pounds and

761
00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:03,810
hang kilometers I see well that's a good

762
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:06,060
point nice and when I some of my

763
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:09,330
generation in ventura came in 1973 in

764
00:32:15,070 --> 00:32:11,460
australia but i still think if we just

765
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:15,080
tighten cleaned inches it's yes Trent

766
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:17,910
yeah they somebody sometimes you'll get

767
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:21,240
directions and in miles on the prairies

768
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:22,650
is there everything's kind of ruled off

769
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:25,530
and miles squares so I'll say you know

770
00:32:31,550 --> 00:32:28,290
go east for two miles and that's not

771
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:31,560
helpful if you you know 99 miles or

772
00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:35,730
points of the compass I like and I like

773
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:37,470
to thank Daniel oxen for being our first

774
00:33:00,620 --> 00:32:50,310
guest today and without any more have

775
00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:00,630
another drink come on I know I Mexicans

776
00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:09,639
I'm sorry we start because we have to we

777
00:33:15,730 --> 00:33:11,870
have do we have an agreement oh yeah dr.

778
00:33:17,529 --> 00:33:15,740
H not have agreement the cameras

779
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,539
explained and explained our agreement on

780
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:19,519
Mike can and give a play-by-play what's

781
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:22,010
happening oh you're everyone again quite

782
00:33:27,370 --> 00:33:25,880
an absolute I was going really weird we

783
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:27,380
were you at least we investigated show

784
00:33:32,889 --> 00:33:29,090
back in Australia we have a bed of nails

785
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:32,899
and one of the key parts about that is I

786
00:33:38,169 --> 00:33:34,850
lie down on the bed and ales and rate

787
00:33:49,779 --> 00:33:38,179
she walks all over my back and suggested

788
00:33:53,470 --> 00:33:49,789
that yeah genuine Australian Minty's a

789
00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:53,480
bed or more of a cot I'm gonna lay down

790
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:55,700
now God we have not agreed to do this

791
00:34:02,529 --> 00:34:01,279
before I we never met except for this is

792
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:02,539
part of the agreement and let it be

793
00:34:05,409 --> 00:34:04,130
known that if you come to cham and you

794
00:34:07,690 --> 00:34:05,419
want to walk on my back and I say you

795
00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:07,700
can we will eventually meet and will

796
00:34:17,619 --> 00:34:13,669
happen over there oh Christ it's I

797
00:34:20,619 --> 00:34:17,629
memory okay yo yo yo you are you yeah i

798
00:34:24,849 --> 00:34:20,629
think if you move the lord yeah that's

799
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:24,859
fun so give the play-by-play here all

800
00:34:28,030 --> 00:34:26,810
right go for all right so this is this

801
00:34:30,460 --> 00:34:28,040
is based on physics

802
00:34:33,550 --> 00:34:30,470
so your physical enough to help chaucer

803
00:34:53,830 --> 00:34:33,560
evil she's a scientist do you want to

804
00:35:05,440 --> 00:34:53,840
pass it out please join me in welcoming

805
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:05,450
a good friend George or even root that's

806
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:10,430
what there you go look good yes but i

807
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,570
think that would hello fellows fellows

808
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:16,640
now geo there's a great Italian accent

809
00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:19,490
minus I'm fighting to not do it because

810
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:21,320
I can't do it in front of you people

811
00:35:24,250 --> 00:35:22,910
because you will just you but I'm

812
00:35:26,110 --> 00:35:24,260
sitting there listening to you talk and

813
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:26,120
just I just want to just very gently

814
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:28,670
sort of that I can't I can't I can't

815
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:30,890
walk over into that pot I can't do it

816
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:32,390
okay because it's because it's terrible

817
00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:34,130
and to do it it's like I won't do my

818
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:35,870
Canadian accent either just 44 daniel

819
00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:48,480
I figure the difference no I don't think

820
00:35:52,530 --> 00:35:50,470
this is this is necessary but for our

821
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:52,540
listening audience Gino can you keep

822
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:54,250
them a little bit of background badges

823
00:36:05,250 --> 00:35:56,770
oh sure I have a podcast called the

824
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:05,260
geologic podcast I'm a musician I play

825
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:07,690
drums i wear guitar I work with the

826
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:08,890
fantastic slough I work with

827
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:14,440
misinformation of course also and i am

828
00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:17,940
currently the most successful skeptic

829
00:36:25,860 --> 00:36:20,980
musician atheist podcasting person

830
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:25,870
living in my apartment little story

831
00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:29,170
about Joe angina some he joined the 365

832
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:31,240
days of a star B podcast which I'm sure

833
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,990
award winning by the way award-winning

834
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:36,880
it's right misinformation as if there it

835
00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:39,240
is award-winning parsec award-winning

836
00:36:44,610 --> 00:36:41,830
385 days I accepted on behalf of panel

837
00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:44,620
up she was doing something else and so

838
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:46,150
yeah oh weird winning start that's

839
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:48,610
fantastic and enjoying the podcast very

840
00:36:54,270 --> 00:36:51,970
much and I didn't realize it gio sang

841
00:36:56,850 --> 00:36:54,280
the the believe the theme that annoying

842
00:37:02,460 --> 00:36:56,860
themes that weasel every beginning and

843
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,520
I watched the clip on YouTube where he's

844
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:08,960
skating around Bethel anism yes yes mile

845
00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:10,730
in town yes on these rollerblades and

846
00:37:13,660 --> 00:37:12,020
it's all spit out that he's driving

847
00:37:15,370 --> 00:37:13,670
backwards on this great i thought this

848
00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:15,380
is just fantastic because i could be a

849
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:17,030
video producer myself completely

850
00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:19,010
appreciated that what he went through to

851
00:37:22,089 --> 00:37:20,390
do it because you had to do it in

852
00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:22,099
different speed because then you change

853
00:37:26,349 --> 00:37:24,140
the screen who was there singing you

854
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:26,359
must look like a complete dog running

855
00:37:30,670 --> 00:37:27,890
around with a camera like this with that

856
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:30,680
ordering the video oh yes absolutely the

857
00:37:35,859 --> 00:37:32,450
door I mean really I have different hats

858
00:37:38,290 --> 00:37:35,869
to put your glasses be like just yeah

859
00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:38,300
very much so I is invalid email just say

860
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:41,660
I really appreciate it said GM your pick

861
00:37:45,549 --> 00:37:43,910
for 365 days of so many podcast it's

862
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,559
really great to do my socks off please

863
00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:47,599
send them back that two weeks later in

864
00:37:58,180 --> 00:37:52,460
the post paper pair of socks and you

865
00:38:00,370 --> 00:37:58,190
have them are saying so okay all right

866
00:38:02,770 --> 00:38:00,380
here inside so I say it even pierre

867
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:02,780
songs from australia so the next thing I

868
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:04,910
know I get a series of photographs back

869
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:07,010
from George and he's making origami with

870
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:11,599
my socks so he goes this way poses that

871
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:15,530
way they see you know to Canberra more

872
00:38:20,829 --> 00:38:17,930
it more morphed into a digital camera

873
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:20,839
yes yes very very simple three-step you

874
00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:22,970
know then you just take a sock fold it

875
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:24,680
over and then you grab a camera and take

876
00:38:31,180 --> 00:38:29,839
a picture okay nice that was a full

877
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:31,190
ragama or whatever you are called yeah

878
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:34,250
yeah yeah but seriously seriously as I

879
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:35,730
was saying before my perspective

880
00:38:39,830 --> 00:38:37,710
do you use a video production work it

881
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:39,840
really did learn myself so I think you

882
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:48,240
have you see that Oh George you're a

883
00:39:00,440 --> 00:38:58,770
22 months is being what about fine

884
00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:00,450
interviews with you need to be yourself

885
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:04,820
on episode 50 it's a little difficult

886
00:39:10,359 --> 00:39:07,470
I'm sure you have brilliant questions

887
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:10,369
that no one else's thought of that hair

888
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:16,530
nothing is off-limits ok your songs true

889
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:20,850
I did write my songs what is the shag

890
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:22,650
rug is my persona venture and can you

891
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:32,940
demonstrate on which itself actually I

892
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:34,950
could well if you have the boa if you

893
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,510
have a feather boa the shag rug is my

894
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:38,400
purse on adventures from a song that's

895
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:41,850
called a simple sybian simple simeon and

896
00:39:48,830 --> 00:39:45,420
it's about there's a host of a

897
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:48,840
children's show his name is the show was

898
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:51,810
was a way to get slimed what the hell is

899
00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:54,780
that show called no no no that's another

900
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:55,800
know this is like where you have

901
00:40:00,200 --> 00:39:57,720
challenged that game show double dare

902
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:00,210
right mark mark summer summers yes Marc

903
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:03,570
summers Marc summers thank you she's

904
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:05,700
always Marc summers has OCD

905
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,710
obsessive-compulsive disorder and I saw

906
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:09,359
documentary about him and there was this

907
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:11,730
sequence where Marc summers before he

908
00:40:16,099 --> 00:40:13,650
could leave his house would have to

909
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:16,109
adjust the fringe on his rug into

910
00:40:21,490 --> 00:40:18,090
perfect parallel lines something like

911
00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:21,500
this so take this

912
00:40:27,730 --> 00:40:24,500
you would sit and just with his fingers

913
00:40:32,860 --> 00:40:27,740
very gently make all the little parallel

914
00:40:35,590 --> 00:40:32,870
lines parallel and uh and I thought hit

915
00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:35,600
every day this guy is as if he's stuck

916
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:37,820
on a sinking ship and the only way you

917
00:40:42,580 --> 00:40:40,970
can get out is by adjusting the shag rug

918
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:42,590
so shag rug is my Poseidon Adventure

919
00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:44,330
that's what that like that shot really

920
00:40:52,270 --> 00:40:49,550
oh we try to do our rinse Lulu we try to

921
00:40:53,740 --> 00:40:52,280
do errands right until our Wizards from

922
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:53,750
a song called bebop which is about a

923
00:41:01,600 --> 00:40:56,570
former a piano player that I used to

924
00:41:03,820 --> 00:41:01,610
work for and just this idea of he he was

925
00:41:06,430 --> 00:41:03,830
a very technical player that didn't have

926
00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:06,440
much passion and we kept trying to get

927
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:08,030
him to push himself to get out of his

928
00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:11,090
comfort zone and sometimes when you're

929
00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:12,350
planning really burning and you're in

930
00:41:15,550 --> 00:41:13,880
that red zone you feel like you're just

931
00:41:16,690 --> 00:41:15,560
really on fire and it's hot and things

932
00:41:18,340 --> 00:41:16,700
are swinging then it's cooking and it's

933
00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:18,350
great and you get to that point where

934
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:20,150
just sometimes you just cool off so when

935
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:22,970
you try so hard you just until your that

936
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:25,010
read that fire is just gone and we

937
00:41:29,290 --> 00:41:26,660
couldn't we couldn't get him to kind of

938
00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:29,300
move beyond this little this is the sort

939
00:41:36,670 --> 00:41:33,260
of stylistic a iceberg he was frozen in

940
00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:36,680
so that's what that oh this is fun no

941
00:41:41,350 --> 00:41:37,820
one ever asked this stuff and there's

942
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:41,360
answers to everything you know there's a

943
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:44,390
little course in Bobby's an event yes

944
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:46,850
which means a variety words which sound

945
00:41:51,850 --> 00:41:49,300
Ukrainian of usage I have to be

946
00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:51,860
something else you figure it out is it

947
00:41:55,810 --> 00:41:53,870
figure out a bull yes internally

948
00:41:58,090 --> 00:41:55,820
Williams Bart Barney's in the vent is

949
00:42:01,450 --> 00:41:58,100
normally it's like what can we do with

950
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:01,460
skepticism and just go oh we should

951
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:07,339
need pills that maybe I don't know where

952
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:09,690
we shouldn't what should we do you know

953
00:42:13,789 --> 00:42:11,220
so like this is great to have actual

954
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,799
answers okay the song barneys in the

955
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:15,839
vent is about mission impossible to TV

956
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,640
show not the piece of movies but

957
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:19,680
the TV show you know you're into the

958
00:42:23,180 --> 00:42:21,420
line of the 1980s we know the original

959
00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:23,190
the original one although the 1980s

960
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:24,750
remake I understand was based on scripts

961
00:42:28,819 --> 00:42:26,730
from the original Australian Australian

962
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:28,829
oh really oh yeah with Peter Graves is

963
00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:31,020
the one sir and the son of Barney okay

964
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:33,750
now Barney was the technician guy now

965
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:36,660
Barney was whenever the rest of the crew

966
00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:39,089
was in some fantastic locale wearing

967
00:42:42,769 --> 00:42:40,980
clothing like I'm wearing right now just

968
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:42,779
miss nice tuxes and things like that

969
00:42:48,049 --> 00:42:45,990
poor Barney was in a vent some we're

970
00:42:51,740 --> 00:42:48,059
running the remote control now of course

971
00:42:53,299 --> 00:42:51,750
Barney was the black guy it's like yeah

972
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:53,309
you go you go wait an event we're gonna

973
00:43:01,400 --> 00:42:54,930
go have cocktails with like you know the

974
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:01,410
the governor of mold or whatever it's

975
00:43:06,349 --> 00:43:03,690
yeah fredonia the places like that you

976
00:43:08,059 --> 00:43:06,359
know so the course of that I actually

977
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,069
went and found a mission impossible

978
00:43:13,549 --> 00:43:10,920
website that lists all of the you know

979
00:43:15,980 --> 00:43:13,559
they couldn't say that the mi force was

980
00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:15,990
in Czechoslovakia so they would be in

981
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:18,990
you know gems Nick that was the country

982
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:21,180
that ran you know and and because the

983
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:23,010
because whatever so I found all these

984
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:24,930
fictional names either they were fake

985
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:26,520
Eastern European country names or they

986
00:43:33,049 --> 00:43:28,890
were fake South American names so you

987
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:33,059
had yeah yeah well Tony oh yeah we're in

988
00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:34,770
the country of mole Tony really are you

989
00:43:39,550 --> 00:43:36,790
that's great

990
00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:39,560
and that that's what is listed as your

991
00:43:44,350 --> 00:43:42,140
as the core is that the pre solo is

992
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:44,360
happening is all these all these fake

993
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:48,170
countries that they visited so this is

994
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:49,370
on the other song that you mentioned

995
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:52,810
clear the plaintiff tech- is a nice

996
00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:55,310
clear the oh okay yeah it's also from

997
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,390
yeah that's the another one of the

998
00:43:59,650 --> 00:43:57,680
subsets of things yeah that's just a

999
00:44:01,150 --> 00:43:59,660
list of kind of obsessive behavior the

1000
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:01,160
idea you can't you can't stop eating

1001
00:44:07,570 --> 00:44:05,690
until the plate is done and the to look

1002
00:44:09,010 --> 00:44:07,580
like there's no problem like you have a

1003
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:09,020
face like Mona Lisa like you you're

1004
00:44:13,210 --> 00:44:11,210
totally in control so that's the best

1005
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:13,220
model uses advice is to not show your

1006
00:44:21,070 --> 00:44:19,130
show your hand actually I love no one

1007
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:21,080
ever asks me in this much detail and I'm

1008
00:44:24,250 --> 00:44:22,910
always like you know there are some some

1009
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:24,260
songs that are some songwriters that

1010
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:25,910
sort of go real stream of consciousness

1011
00:44:29,860 --> 00:44:27,110
and they go I don't know what that's

1012
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:29,870
really about there's a very few number

1013
00:44:32,770 --> 00:44:31,250
of teams that are like that pretty much

1014
00:44:34,890 --> 00:44:32,780
every single little thing that I put in

1015
00:44:43,709 --> 00:44:38,269
oh Jesus

1016
00:44:52,729 --> 00:44:43,719
Pence's ladies hit you see that feedback

1017
00:44:55,739 --> 00:44:52,739
was based on we ok we got done that

1018
00:44:58,079 --> 00:44:55,749
anyway so it's just nice to nice to be

1019
00:44:59,249 --> 00:44:58,089
has two other stuff oh well I don't know

1020
00:45:03,499 --> 00:44:59,259
who helped you ever get away with this

1021
00:45:06,389 --> 00:45:03,509
one um just how nasty used for reals I

1022
00:45:11,689 --> 00:45:06,399
don't know from well i know from some

1023
00:45:15,179 --> 00:45:11,699
personal experience but tori welles is a

1024
00:45:19,259 --> 00:45:15,189
famous or infamous well if it well known

1025
00:45:23,069 --> 00:45:19,269
a adult movie star we'll call it that uh

1026
00:45:25,229 --> 00:45:23,079
yeah so that was sure that she gets

1027
00:45:27,809 --> 00:45:25,239
pretty nasty she was pretty much is fine

1028
00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:27,819
see you know I'm sure rhyme dude it's

1029
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,380
like you go on Google to find something

1030
00:45:32,609 --> 00:45:30,880
that rhymes with you know yet to sign

1031
00:45:35,099 --> 00:45:32,619
else so it's like I need a porn star

1032
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,109
that rhymes tori welles perfect i get

1033
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:37,119
speaking of nasty will there be enough

1034
00:45:43,259 --> 00:45:40,089
songs not about Nancy Clark another

1035
00:45:45,479 --> 00:45:43,269
every day no probably not i was i was i

1036
00:45:48,449 --> 00:45:45,489
was sued by a former employee of mine i

1037
00:45:50,189 --> 00:45:48,459
wrote a song about this employee well

1038
00:45:58,580 --> 00:45:50,199
supposedly no i wrote a song about her

1039
00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:02,310
I'm sorry I'm a peasant I'm sorry I'm

1040
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:05,380
sorry um you saying that Richard after

1041
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:09,310
what you and I did on his show you

1042
00:46:21,330 --> 00:46:18,450
remember us recruit I there was a 832

1043
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:21,340
second 34 second song that I wrote which

1044
00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:22,570
was just using the syllables of

1045
00:46:26,340 --> 00:46:24,280
someone's name and then the word sucks

1046
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:26,350
at the end very immature very silly or

1047
00:46:34,830 --> 00:46:30,160
stupid I was sued for fifty thousand

1048
00:46:36,510 --> 00:46:34,840
dollars and she won even though even

1049
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:36,520
though the judges name was Simpson and I

1050
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:38,170
thought this is a good sign you know

1051
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:41,680
judge Simpson cool like yeah but no the

1052
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,560
judge sort of deferred judgment he made

1053
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:46,240
an outrageous judgment figuring we would

1054
00:46:49,950 --> 00:46:48,040
appeal now the attorney that I was using

1055
00:46:52,590 --> 00:46:49,960
was an attorney that you get when you

1056
00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:52,600
are a poor struggling starving artist

1057
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:54,520
there's a great organization called the

1058
00:46:58,290 --> 00:46:56,260
Philadelphia lawyer lawyers for the Arts

1059
00:47:01,380 --> 00:46:58,300
where you go you show them your tax form

1060
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:01,390
they kind of laugh for a second and then

1061
00:47:04,350 --> 00:47:02,560
they say sure it will represent you

1062
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:04,360
because yeah how did you get here you

1063
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:07,510
know where'd you get cab fare how did

1064
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:09,490
you pay for the gas in your car and they

1065
00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:10,510
were presented me and they kind of

1066
00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:11,350
messed up because they missed the

1067
00:47:15,450 --> 00:47:13,720
deadline my attorney said you actually

1068
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:15,460
should sue us is what you should do I

1069
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:16,810
sort of said I'm not going to sue

1070
00:47:25,770 --> 00:47:22,510
anybody so so i ended up i sort of never

1071
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,780
really wrote another song with lyrics

1072
00:47:33,849 --> 00:47:27,520
but there is a song called litigious

1073
00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:40,190
depletion of trial and error and trial

1074
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:41,819
and area trial error has an actual

1075
00:47:45,319 --> 00:47:43,290
little snippet from the trial the trial

1076
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:45,329
was about 60 minutes long it was like

1077
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:50,970
this great episode of Law & n haha and

1078
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:54,510
and so it within within the within the

1079
00:47:57,740 --> 00:47:56,339
song which is also instrumental there is

1080
00:48:00,140 --> 00:47:57,750
an actual transcript from the trial

1081
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:00,150
which to me was that was the crux of the

1082
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:01,770
biscuit of the whole trial was in that

1083
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:04,020
little was like five lines yeah can I

1084
00:48:07,099 --> 00:48:05,339
ask you about that do because you did a

1085
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:07,109
whole episode where you did all the

1086
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:09,450
voices yes the people from the trial

1087
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:12,180
right and right out the judgment yes how

1088
00:48:16,609 --> 00:48:15,000
is that Commission to do that on oh yeah

1089
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:16,619
that's that that's public public record

1090
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:18,780
yeah so once you which is the funniest

1091
00:48:24,020 --> 00:48:21,540
thing is all of the headache and all of

1092
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:24,030
the weirdness and all of the the years

1093
00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:27,569
of just garbage we had to go through was

1094
00:48:33,250 --> 00:48:29,700
all worth it because at one point they

1095
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:33,260
had to play the song in the corner and

1096
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:36,359
it was n number one it's now in the

1097
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:40,319
public record forever number two it was

1098
00:48:45,859 --> 00:48:43,500
such kind of this Python moment of I I'm

1099
00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:45,869
sitting there saying don't smile too

1100
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:48,780
broadly like you're gonna don't smile

1101
00:48:53,569 --> 00:48:51,150
don't don't and i just couldnt just

1102
00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:53,579
grinning and the witness another witness

1103
00:48:57,859 --> 00:48:56,339
who was a co-worker she's trying to hold

1104
00:49:01,160 --> 00:48:57,869
back a smile even though she was a

1105
00:49:02,750 --> 00:49:01,170
witness for the prosecution my attorney

1106
00:49:06,620 --> 00:49:02,760
says it's kind of funny isn't it she's

1107
00:49:08,359 --> 00:49:06,630
like its humors yes okay you know what

1108
00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:08,369
that's worth 50 grand right there that's

1109
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:11,460
right that's what that was now to wrap

1110
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:13,890
it up both okay so put this question to

1111
00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:15,240
you because it's I find it very

1112
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:18,599
interesting i know i've spoken to steve

1113
00:49:22,850 --> 00:49:22,530
another about this being just really

1114
00:49:26,060 --> 00:49:22,860
nice

1115
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:26,070
we are deeply deeply concerned involved

1116
00:49:32,810 --> 00:49:28,710
in skepticism also if you Daniel how do

1117
00:49:34,850 --> 00:49:32,820
you allocate your time what weight you

1118
00:49:37,850 --> 00:49:34,860
put on this project of that book project

1119
00:49:39,860 --> 00:49:37,860
like personally I maybe I do too much

1120
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:39,870
but I find it so important like I do

1121
00:49:44,330 --> 00:49:43,140
didn't get a lot of time to my wife's in

1122
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:44,340
the audience I think she'll tell you

1123
00:49:53,570 --> 00:49:46,560
that I just spend all of my time yeah

1124
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:53,580
she's not I know I was just laughing

1125
00:50:00,620 --> 00:49:55,490
with the guys in my studio about this

1126
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,630
basically my the sort of fun fundamental

1127
00:50:04,460 --> 00:50:02,400
tasks that I have to do during a quarter

1128
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,470
are more or less enough to take out the

1129
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:06,480
entire quarter but I do a lot of extra

1130
00:50:12,350 --> 00:50:08,250
projects and so all of it all of those

1131
00:50:14,780 --> 00:50:12,360
projects whenever I feel you know the

1132
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:14,790
need to write a manifesto something like

1133
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:18,450
that you know it comes at the expense of

1134
00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:19,980
some other desperate deadline I have

1135
00:50:25,610 --> 00:50:22,950
that's right so you know it's always the

1136
00:50:27,110 --> 00:50:25,620
wrong reckless decision to take on one

1137
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:27,120
of those projects and yet sometimes you

1138
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:29,330
just have to yeah you know if there's a

1139
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:32,010
faith healer coming to your town or if

1140
00:50:37,460 --> 00:50:34,650
there's you know somebody trying to sink

1141
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:37,470
a piece of responsible legislation you

1142
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:40,710
have to get to speak up when you have to

1143
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,690
speak up and sometimes it's timely or

1144
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:44,640
sometimes it's just a matter of not

1145
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:46,260
being willing to leave a million

1146
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:48,210
projects and the half done folder

1147
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:50,370
forever so that sometimes you just have

1148
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:52,020
to have two floor at and hope for the

1149
00:50:59,770 --> 00:50:56,250
best George yeah for me is skepticism is

1150
00:51:02,120 --> 00:50:59,780
such a such a tool in such a part of

1151
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:02,130
every day every decision that you make

1152
00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:04,410
on some level you know in percentage

1153
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:07,020
wise that I feel no matter what I'm

1154
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:08,160
doing on whether I'm working on

1155
00:51:14,090 --> 00:51:11,490
something specifically for a skeptical

1156
00:51:16,270 --> 00:51:14,100
project song or a video or an

1157
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:16,280
interviewer or you know going to tab

1158
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:19,020
that's one thing but just in everyday

1159
00:51:23,020 --> 00:51:21,300
existence it's such a sort of key part

1160
00:51:25,570 --> 00:51:23,030
that I feel I get the kind of

1161
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:25,580
utilize it and do it all the time I'm

1162
00:51:32,020 --> 00:51:28,430
very lucky in that what I do has

1163
00:51:33,460 --> 00:51:32,030
afforded me the opportunity to let's put

1164
00:51:35,380 --> 00:51:33,470
it this way every bit of effort that

1165
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:35,390
I've put into a skeptical project has

1166
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:38,810
paid paid off paid back I'm a million

1167
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:40,970
foam hearing there is no reason that you

1168
00:51:46,510 --> 00:51:43,310
guys should know who I am in terms of

1169
00:51:50,020 --> 00:51:46,520
logistics and soon will return back to

1170
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:50,030
not know it's somehow you know you saw

1171
00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:52,130
this video that I did and and the

1172
00:51:55,810 --> 00:51:53,630
somehow the right people from the

1173
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:55,820
giraffe and from Tam got involved in

1174
00:51:59,740 --> 00:51:57,770
Sutton it's like every little sort of

1175
00:52:01,450 --> 00:51:59,750
bit of effort that you put in at some

1176
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,460
point writing a song like skeptic which

1177
00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:02,960
I wrote ten years ago when I was

1178
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:06,350
visiting London with Slough and I didn't

1179
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,510
sit down and think this will lead to a

1180
00:52:14,890 --> 00:52:10,640
panel panel the discussion with james

1181
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:14,900
randi give its time that's not how I was

1182
00:52:17,650 --> 00:52:16,250
thinking but yet there was a lot of work

1183
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:17,660
to finish the song and do it and someone

1184
00:52:20,830 --> 00:52:19,250
connected with it and saw something in

1185
00:52:21,970 --> 00:52:20,840
it and then when I met Jeff why I use

1186
00:52:23,110 --> 00:52:21,980
like oh you should do this and then you

1187
00:52:24,910 --> 00:52:23,120
make the other person yeah and that's

1188
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:24,920
how it works so any effort that you put

1189
00:52:30,460 --> 00:52:28,250
in and that's also the cool thing to

1190
00:52:34,030 --> 00:52:30,470
tell your listeners is that you can be a

1191
00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:34,040
complete nobody and have a tremendous

1192
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:35,270
influence you know whether you're

1193
00:52:39,970 --> 00:52:37,970
hosting you know a bit of a radio

1194
00:52:41,770 --> 00:52:39,980
program on your website so that it can't

1195
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:41,780
get taken down from someplace else it is

1196
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:43,370
such a vital link in this sort of

1197
00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:44,720
skeptical chain that we're building and

1198
00:52:48,460 --> 00:52:47,030
anyone can be a part of it as long as as

1199
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:48,470
long as you're doing it with a certain

1200
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:51,050
enthusiasm at a certain of genuineness

1201
00:52:55,330 --> 00:52:53,030
yes and that's what's so cool I then

1202
00:52:57,310 --> 00:52:55,340
that's I'm that I'm the poster boy for

1203
00:52:59,230 --> 00:52:57,320
that because i have no degrees in

1204
00:53:01,060 --> 00:52:59,240
anything so you know who you are person

1205
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:01,070
is on us that's true yes the little

1206
00:53:12,279 --> 00:53:03,410
poster boy any please join me thanking

1207
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:15,079
for King can't sleep these and

1208
00:53:20,569 --> 00:53:18,089
Australian skeptics pin badges I'd like

1209
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:20,579
to thank our dear friend Carly stitches

1210
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:34,529
for yourself and gone through a G so

1211
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:36,089
then you're listening to this episode of

1212
00:53:39,499 --> 00:53:38,190
skeptic zones keep tuned in the coming

1213
00:54:39,030 --> 00:53:39,509
weeks we'll be having lots of interviews

1214
00:54:46,690 --> 00:54:42,670
so that was the skeptics own life live

1215
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:46,700
virus birthday edition what fun of it

1216
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:48,710
makes us all very very very sad that we

1217
00:54:54,430 --> 00:54:52,010
weren't there oh I'm sorry I'm so next

1218
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:54,440
year as you keep saying yeah we'll get

1219
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:56,090
you there and you on a ship something i

1220
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:58,010
hope i do but you've actually a few

1221
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:59,359
photos and stuff in there too or they

1222
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:00,800
have available through the skipper

1223
00:55:05,980 --> 00:55:03,050
website yeah if you go to the skeptics

1224
00:55:07,870 --> 00:55:05,990
own websites kept its own TV then go to

1225
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:07,880
our photograph section there will be

1226
00:55:11,650 --> 00:55:09,290
photographs there from the skeptics

1227
00:55:14,050 --> 00:55:11,660
online yeah you see a long you missed

1228
00:55:16,540 --> 00:55:14,060
out on to dear listener just like me who

1229
00:55:18,310 --> 00:55:16,550
were there oh yeah but I tell you what

1230
00:55:20,859 --> 00:55:18,320
step yes if you can't make these

1231
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:20,869
wonderful convention next year in Sydney

1232
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,530
Oh Marga diary November the 26 to the 28

1233
00:55:30,310 --> 00:55:26,720
and yesterday we have got the big

1234
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:30,320
fabulous convention oh it's gonna be a

1235
00:55:33,550 --> 00:55:31,609
huge one the Australian skeptics

1236
00:55:35,770 --> 00:55:33,560
National Convention and maybe there's

1237
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:35,780
some more information we can tell you in

1238
00:55:41,050 --> 00:55:38,090
a couple of weeks about that but for now

1239
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:41,060
but for now our special guests will be

1240
00:55:45,370 --> 00:55:43,310
the skeptics guide to the universe crew

1241
00:55:47,530 --> 00:55:45,380
they're coming they're all me I meant to

1242
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:47,540
Sydney here and there and we just

1243
00:55:51,820 --> 00:55:49,310
keeping things under wraps at the moment

1244
00:55:53,830 --> 00:55:51,830
we've got a lot of very big names in

1245
00:55:56,620 --> 00:55:53,840
podcasting and skepticism gonna we're

1246
00:55:59,710 --> 00:55:56,630
coming over so Sydney Australia November

1247
00:56:02,560 --> 00:55:59,720
the 26 to the 28th mark your Diaries

1248
00:56:06,099 --> 00:56:02,570
2010 I'm market right now here's to see

1249
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:06,109
that look at it done don't want you

1250
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:08,330
involved it's got a huge much more

1251
00:56:11,890 --> 00:56:10,010
information about that soon but if you

1252
00:56:16,090 --> 00:56:11,900
can't wait till then go in till then

1253
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:16,100
queensland australia this november 20 or

1254
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:18,890
20 seventh 28 and 29 right is our

1255
00:56:24,550 --> 00:56:21,440
national convention more 2009 yep ah

1256
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:24,560
look at that more info in the skeptic

1257
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,930
magazine dr. carl be there Chrissy

1258
00:56:30,940 --> 00:56:28,880
Wilson Barry Williams Loretta Marin the

1259
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:30,950
jelly bean lady lots of other people 27

1260
00:56:36,609 --> 00:56:32,650
28 and 29 for november this year

1261
00:56:41,050 --> 00:56:36,619
fantastic more information at www

1262
00:56:43,090 --> 00:56:41,060
skeptics com au Richard happy birthday

1263
00:56:44,650 --> 00:56:43,100
happy birthday 7 thank you listen to

1264
00:56:46,359 --> 00:56:44,660
this and a big thank you to the

1265
00:56:47,930 --> 00:56:46,369
listeners for sticking with us for a

1266
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:47,940
year do you think we should

1267
00:56:51,620 --> 00:56:50,040
it for another year Holly we should have

1268
00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:51,630
a crackhead let's try let's see what we

1269
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:53,670
can do all right under the year to know

1270
00:57:01,170 --> 00:56:55,740
year two in the zone thanks listeners

1271
00:57:07,230 --> 00:57:03,210
you've been listening to the skeptic

1272
00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:07,240
zone visit our website at www skeptics

1273
00:57:13,380 --> 00:57:10,990
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1274
00:57:18,990 --> 00:57:13,390
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1275
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,770
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